On the subject of features I would like in Yojimbo, though I did
mention it several years ago. Just a reminder and perhaps an answer
from the developers on whether it would really be considered.

I would like the flexibiity to make entries read-only: a toggle Read-
Only/Edit -- no password to toggle from one to the other state. Just
something to protect my entries from me.

Thanks
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Larry Winkler
5306 Loruth Ter
Madison Wisconsin 53711
Phone: 608-274-0414
Mobile: 608-345-0627
Email: winkllj@acm.org
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On May 3, 2008, at 4:06 AM, Yojimbo-Talk List wrote:

> Yojimbo-Talk List Digest #681
>
> 1) Re: The Real Issue With Nested Folders and Multiple Databases.
> by Keith Ledbetter <keith.ledbetter@mac.com>
> 2) Re: Almost happy with Yojimbo the way it is
> by infrahile <infrahile@googlemail.com>
> 3) Re: The Real Issue With Nested Folders and Multiple Databases.
> by "Scott J. Lopez" <scottjl@gmail.com>
> 4) Re: The Real Issue With Nested Folders and Multiple Databases.
> by "Robertson Dale A." <robedal@magma.ca>
> 5) I use Yojimbo for..
> by "Scott J. Lopez" <scottjl@gmail.com>
> 6) Re: The Real Issue With Nested Folders and Multiple Databases.
> by infrahile <infrahile@googlemail.com>
> 7) Re: I use Yojimbo for..
> by Carlton Gibson <carlton.gibson@noumenal.co.uk>
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> From: Keith Ledbetter <keith.ledbetter@mac.com>
> Date: May 2, 2008 3:08:03 PM CDT
> Subject: Re: The Real Issue With Nested Folders and Multiple
> Databases.
>
>
>
> On May 2, 2008, at 10:57 AM, Luis Roca wrote:
>
>> Lorin and Kenneth identified the real issue very well. I think a
>> lot of
>> the discomfort with not having nested folders is due to a habit of
>> putting off properly identifying an item. We keep bringing up the
>> book
>> “Getting Things Done” but the idea of nested folders and multiple
>> library databases are in stark contrast to the very first steps of
>> GTD.
>> Folders poorly identify information. At best they just create more
>> inboxes. Because you havenÂ’t properly identified the specific item
>> you
>> will waste more time searching six weeks down the road when you
>> need to
>> produce a receipt, or email the photo of your family eating pizza in
>> Times Square to your sister. Tagging is a far more fluid way to
>> identify
>> something at the very moment it enters your system.
>
> Luis, we're all really, really happy that Yojimbo is "perfect" for
> your way of gathering information. But it's quite pompous of you to
> think that everyone else is wrong because we like to sometimes
> organize our data in physical divisions.
>
> And, repeat after me, YOJIMBO IS NOT A GTD TOOL. It is a digital
> junk drawer; a tool that you have just been lucky enough to be able
> to "fit" into the GTD principles.
>
> Keith
>
>
>
>
> From: infrahile <infrahile@googlemail.com>
> Date: May 2, 2008 3:47:52 PM CDT
> Subject: Re: Almost happy with Yojimbo the way it is
>
>
> Thanks for your response Steve, great to have some direct answers
> from the guy who kicked it all off :o)
>
> Now, naturally, I want more! :o)
>
> In the past I've drawn a distinction between 'nested folders' and a
> means to group collections in the sidebar. I see these as distinct
> things and I've copied the original post below where I go into more
> detail on the issue. My question is, do you see these as one and the
> same or would you consider the latter as a different feature
> request. To me nested folders means hierarchical organisation and
> I'd be the first to agree this is not necessary, I'd be interested
> in your view on the matter.
>
> I appreciate there's more than one way to skin a cat and to my mind
> a different approach to tag navigation could obviate the need for
> this, but as an interface designer myself I'm keeping my cards close
> to my chest on that one as I have a particular solution in mind for
> a project of my own! ;o)
>
> Regards, T.
>
>
>
> Extract from that previous postÂ…
>
>
> Tag collection grouping
> OK, hopefully no one thinks I'm trying to pull a fast one and change
> the name of the game from 'nested folders' but on reviewing the
> previous threads again I think the debate gets sidetracked into one
> of hierarchy vs. tagging - a fine debate in it's own right but not
> really what I'm after as a feature request. I'm really very happy
> with tag & search approach for many things, but for quick reference
> and ad-hoc corralling of tagged information I use tag collections
> extensively. I have a lot of them, too many to be easily reviewable
> in one long multi-page scrolling list - not (I'll pre-empt the
> inevitable response) in some vain attempt to re-impose an old
> fashioned hierarchy, but simply to take advantage of the benefits of
> tagging for the purposes of browsing (as opposed to searching). It
> is a pain to only be able to sort these tag collections
> alphabetically (even with alpha-numeric prefixes) in one long list.
>
> The long and short of it is that, for whatever reason, i have a lot
> of tag collections, all I really need is a more control over how
> they are organised and presented, a single level of grouping would
> do just fine. I can see how this could cause ambiguity leading to an
> impression of support for deep hierarchy but i doubt this is
> insurmountable - perhaps some judicious use of naming to
> conceptually divorce 'tag collections' from 'collections' and a
> visually distinct icon to further distinguish the concepts might
> overcome this problem? Or maybe separating smart collections,
> collections, and tag collections with sub-titles in the sidebar as
> iTunes does would do the trick?
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1 May 2008, at 14:20, Steve Kalkwarf wrote:
>
>> I'm not singling out Rhet, but there are several ideas embodied in
>> this paragraph that bear comment:
>>
>>> If someone from BareBones does pipe in, it's usually to say "We're
>>> never going to add that feature. See previous post..." This
>>> compares poorly to several other indie-Mac software lists I'm on
>>> (such as the forum for Leap and Yep, both excellent applications: http://www.ironicsoftware.com/)
>>> where the developer is happy to get feedback on what users
>>> actually want and participates in the dialogue.
>>
>> Let me start off by saying no matter what I, or another Bare Bones
>> representative says, a large number of people will be unhappy. For
>> years we said "Thanks for the feedback, and we'll consider adding
>> this functionality". Then, email every time we shipped an update
>> we'd get a "reminder" email, asking why the feature wasn't in that
>> version. Other people waited and waited for the feature to arrive,
>> but it wasn't going to. I thought that was unfair.
>>
>> Now, if a feature request has a known disposition, we generally
>> share that answer. Nested folders? No. If you _have_ to have that
>> feature, you will be better off elsewhere. Does this compare
>> "poorly" with other companies? I don't know. I prefer the honest
>> answer, whether it makes people happy or not.
>>
>> Another assumption (again, not picking on Rhet) is that
>> implementing every feature request is a good idea. If you take a
>> step back and look at the types of requests people make, with rare
>> exception (nested folders, smart collections, better tag
>> management) they are particular to the requester's existing
>> workflow. The "one feature I have to have" is not the one feature
>> you have to have, or Charlie has to have, or probably more than a
>> couple people have to have.
>>
>> The implied assumption that tends to go along with almost any
>> request is that adding feature X doesn't increase the complexity of
>> Yojimbo. That is untrue.
>>
>> In a past life, I spent countless hours helping novice Mac users
>> find the files they had lost, because they had no idea where they
>> were saving, or because they saved all their files in the Word
>> folder, and when they updated Word, lost everything. The average
>> computer user is overwhelmed by choices, and as simple as this
>> sounds, every feature or menu item represents a choice. By no means
>> am I the authority on simplicity vs. complexity, but our goal was
>> to make Yojimbo powerful, yet simple to use.
>>
>> Another interesting belief carried by most power users (and I
>> include myself in this group) is that they are representative of
>> all users. This can't be farther from the truth.
>>
>> Everybody on this list sees the mailing list posts. I see those,
>> and tech support inquiries. There are more support inquires than
>> there are posts on this list. Way more. I can assure you that
>> everyone on this list is head and shoulders above most customers
>> writing in for help.
>>
>> If you made it this far, thanks for reading. As your reward, a
>> summary of the popular requests, and their status:
>>
>> Nested folders: Sorry, no.
>>
>> Smart collections: Yes, near the top of the list.
>>
>> Better tagging interactions: Nearer the top of the list.
>>
>> Stuff nobody has asked for: At the top of the list. And before
>> anyone asks why stuff nobody asked for is higher up than the
>> "one feature I have to have," remember, nobody asked us to
>> write Yojimbo, either.
>>
>> Updates to other Bare Bones products: What do you think we've been
>> doing since the last Yojimbo update? :-)
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
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>
>
> From: "Scott J. Lopez" <scottjl@gmail.com>
> Date: May 2, 2008 5:19:03 PM CDT
> Subject: Re: The Real Issue With Nested Folders and Multiple
> Databases.
>
>
> No one said Yojimbo is a GTD tool, but apparently people use it for
> that given the number of posts that reference it. There are several
> Mac programs specifically for GTD actually, should anyone want them
> (search versiontracker.com).
>
> As for someone being "pompous" isn't it a little "pompous" for all the
> people saying that Yojimbo _has to have_ XXX feature or the program is
> worthless/useless/they won't buy it. As I've pointed out in a previous
> post, there is a trial period (thank you Bare Bones) with using
> Yojimbo. If it doesn't fit your needs, move on, but whining on this
> list "I won't buy it because it doesn't have XXX" is pretty bad. I can
> understand why BB won't respond to feature request emails any more
> with an attitude like that. Yojimbo obviously has all the features
> Bare Bone wanted to put into it, if someone wants something different
> they could write it up themselves.
>
> Now I didn't mean to turn this into a flame war, but I'm pretty tired
> of hearing people complain Yojimbo won't make coffee, clean up after
> the dog, and turn down their beds at night. This is supposed to be a
> support list, a place to share with each other how we use Yojimbo,
> tips and tricks, etc.
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Keith Ledbetter <keith.ledbetter@mac.com
> > wrote:
>> Luis, we're all really, really happy that Yojimbo is "perfect" for
>> your way
>> of gathering information. But it's quite pompous of you to think
>> that
>> everyone else is wrong because we like to sometimes organize our
>> data in
>> physical divisions.
>>
>> And, repeat after me, YOJIMBO IS NOT A GTD TOOL. It is a digital
>> junk
>> drawer; a tool that you have just been lucky enough to be able to
>> "fit" into
>> the GTD principles.
>>
>> Keith
>
>
>
> From: "Robertson Dale A." <robedal@magma.ca>
> Date: May 2, 2008 6:54:31 PM CDT
> Subject: Re: The Real Issue With Nested Folders and Multiple
> Databases.
>
>
> HEAR HEAR!
>
> On May 2, 2008, at 18:19, Scott J. Lopez wrote:
>
>> No one said Yojimbo is a GTD tool, but apparently people use it for
>> that given the number of posts that reference it. There are several
>> Mac programs specifically for GTD actually, should anyone want them
>> (search versiontracker.com).
>>
>> As for someone being "pompous" isn't it a little "pompous" for all
>> the
>> people saying that Yojimbo _has to have_ XXX feature or the program
>> is
>> worthless/useless/they won't buy it. As I've pointed out in a
>> previous
>> post, there is a trial period (thank you Bare Bones) with using
>> Yojimbo. If it doesn't fit your needs, move on, but whining on this
>> list "I won't buy it because it doesn't have XXX" is pretty bad. I
>> can
>> understand why BB won't respond to feature request emails any more
>> with an attitude like that. Yojimbo obviously has all the features
>> Bare Bone wanted to put into it, if someone wants something different
>> they could write it up themselves.
>>
>> Now I didn't mean to turn this into a flame war, but I'm pretty tired
>> of hearing people complain Yojimbo won't make coffee, clean up after
>> the dog, and turn down their beds at night. This is supposed to be a
>> support list, a place to share with each other how we use Yojimbo,
>> tips and tricks, etc.
>>
>> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Keith Ledbetter <keith.ledbetter@mac.com
>> > wrote:
>>> Luis, we're all really, really happy that Yojimbo is "perfect" for
>>> your way
>>> of gathering information. But it's quite pompous of you to think
>>> that
>>> everyone else is wrong because we like to sometimes organize our
>>> data in
>>> physical divisions.
>>>
>>> And, repeat after me, YOJIMBO IS NOT A GTD TOOL. It is a digital
>>> junk
>>> drawer; a tool that you have just been lucky enough to be able to
>>> "fit" into
>>> the GTD principles.
>>>
>>> Keith
>>
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>
>
>
>
> From: "Scott J. Lopez" <scottjl@gmail.com>
> Date: May 2, 2008 7:32:30 PM CDT
> Subject: I use Yojimbo for..
>
>
> I want to start a positive thread on what interesting things everyone
> uses Yojimbo for.. Maybe everyone could post one interesting thing
> they use the application for, we all might find some new uses..
>
> So here's mine..
>
>
> I use Yojimbo for saving receipts when I make online purchases. I use
> the "Print PDF to Yojimbo" instead of printing out a paper receipt, I
> tag it with a few keywords ("receipt", date, purpose, items) and drop
> it in a "receipts" folder. I also Print to PDF or download in PDF (and
> drop into Yojimbo any relevant Rebates). Very fast, easy and I always
> can look back at what I bought. I also Print to PDF any emailed
> receipts that I might not have gotten on a web page (mostly when
> buying software).
>
>
>
> From: infrahile <infrahile@googlemail.com>
> Date: May 2, 2008 8:41:48 PM CDT
> Subject: Re: The Real Issue With Nested Folders and Multiple
> Databases.
>
>
> Personally, along as it's civil, I think a bit of heated debate is
> all good fun - livens things up a bit!
>
> :o)
>
> T.
>
>
> On 2 May 2008, at 23:19, Scott J. Lopez wrote:
>
>> No one said Yojimbo is a GTD tool, but apparently people use it for
>> that given the number of posts that reference it. There are several
>> Mac programs specifically for GTD actually, should anyone want them
>> (search versiontracker.com).
>>
>> As for someone being "pompous" isn't it a little "pompous" for all
>> the
>> people saying that Yojimbo _has to have_ XXX feature or the program
>> is
>> worthless/useless/they won't buy it. As I've pointed out in a
>> previous
>> post, there is a trial period (thank you Bare Bones) with using
>> Yojimbo. If it doesn't fit your needs, move on, but whining on this
>> list "I won't buy it because it doesn't have XXX" is pretty bad. I
>> can
>> understand why BB won't respond to feature request emails any more
>> with an attitude like that. Yojimbo obviously has all the features
>> Bare Bone wanted to put into it, if someone wants something different
>> they could write it up themselves.
>>
>> Now I didn't mean to turn this into a flame war, but I'm pretty tired
>> of hearing people complain Yojimbo won't make coffee, clean up after
>> the dog, and turn down their beds at night. This is supposed to be a
>> support list, a place to share with each other how we use Yojimbo,
>> tips and tricks, etc.
>>
>> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Keith Ledbetter <keith.ledbetter@mac.com
>> > wrote:
>>> Luis, we're all really, really happy that Yojimbo is "perfect" for
>>> your way
>>> of gathering information. But it's quite pompous of you to think
>>> that
>>> everyone else is wrong because we like to sometimes organize our
>>> data in
>>> physical divisions.
>>>
>>> And, repeat after me, YOJIMBO IS NOT A GTD TOOL. It is a digital
>>> junk
>>> drawer; a tool that you have just been lucky enough to be able to
>>> "fit" into
>>> the GTD principles.
>>>
>>> Keith
>>
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>
>
>
> From: Carlton Gibson <carlton.gibson@noumenal.co.uk>
> Date: May 3, 2008 3:22:08 AM CDT
> Subject: Re: I use Yojimbo for..
>
>
>
> On 3 May 2008, at 01:32, Scott J. Lopez wrote:
>
>> I want to start a positive thread on what interesting things everyone
>> uses Yojimbo for.. Maybe everyone could post one interesting thing
>> they use the application for, we all might find some new uses..
>>
>> So here's mine..
>
> I use Yojimbo as a temporary store for things until I've got time to
> organise them properly.
>
> I don't want to store things in Yojimbo permanently as I already
> have a file system manager with labels, and comments and full text
> search -- one with nested folders, and as powerful a set of smart
> folders that one could wish for (until the next Model-T replaces our
> current horse that is). There's no way, for permanent storage, that
> I'd ever give up the power of the file system.
>
> Passwords *end up* in my Keychain.
>
> Bookmarks I want to keep *end up* in Safari.
>
> Everything else ends up in the *correct* folder.
>
> There is such a thing as the *correct* folder as there are such
> things as objective hierarchies -- ones which capture real
> relationships between things. You can think of genus-species
> groupings in biology, or project-file groupings in your work. Where
> such groupings exist, a hierarchical file structure has real value,
> but they take some thinking about to be stable/valuable-- which is
> why the profession of 'librarian' exists for one. Yojimbo -- and
> tagging -- fills a nice gap for me while I'm still working these
> things out (or in the middle of something else important when the
> new bit of stuff arrives).
>
> Others may take a different approach, this is mine.
>
> Regards,
> Carlton
>
>
>
>
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